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Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby Dade » Thursday 25th 2014f September 2014 10:56:57 AM

Since the result of the referendum has been known for almost a week now, I thought it best to start a new page to discuss Scottish Politics.

Firstly, is there is anyone No voters on here who regret their vote?

A lot of lies have already started to have become unveiled. Labour saying now that the NHS IS under threat from the tories. New technology has appeared in the last week that means North Sea Oil WILL can still be extracted for decades. The new powers promised for Scotland already seem to be diminishing. Child benefit caps are set to be extended.

Oh and in other news, her Majesty tries to take money from the state poverty fund to help heat her palaces!


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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby dixie chicken » Thursday 25th 2014f September 2014 11:17:02 AM

SG has signed a contract with a large US IT firm.
Privatisation????? Never!!!!

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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby Dade » Thursday 25th 2014f September 2014 12:21:31 PM

dixie chicken wrote:SG has signed a contract with a large US IT firm.
Privatisation????? Never!!!!


Can't find any news on this. Do you have a link?

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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby dixie chicken » Thursday 25th 2014f September 2014 12:49:37 PM

It was the top item on FMQ's at the Scottish Parliament.
You can probably see the debate on the BBC iplayer.

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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby dixie chicken » Thursday 25th 2014f September 2014 12:54:18 PM

I have no problem with these and other private contracts.
I just wish that SNP and Labour in England would stop trying to dupe voters into thinking that because there are private companies involved in the NHS, patients are going to be charged directly other than through taxation.
After all, GP's, drug companies, cleaning suppliers, stationers et al are major private suppliers.
Even the staff in GP surgeries are working for the privatised GP's.
Some honesty is needed in the debate. That's my point!!!!

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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby saltheart » Thursday 25th 2014f September 2014 02:21:13 PM

dixie chicken wrote:SG has signed a contract with a large US IT firm.
Privatisation????? Never!!!!


The referendum is over (for now) so you can stop your lies and scaremongering!

As pointed out by Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon in debate, it was the uk government who are negotiating with US firms to buy of parts of the NHS and a vote for Yes would have prevented this in Scotland.

Now we will have a vast reduction in funding and i'm sure you will blame the Scottish Government for any spending cuts which follow..
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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby dixie chicken » Thursday 25th 2014f September 2014 02:44:11 PM

Unbelievable!!!
Who brought up the NHS during the campaign?

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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby Quidsin » Thursday 25th 2014f September 2014 08:35:24 PM

dixie chicken wrote:Unbelievable!!!
Who brought up the NHS during the campaign?

You'll know the answer to this Chico, where exactly is 'Bongo bongo land' on planet Earth?
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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby dixie chicken » Thursday 25th 2014f September 2014 09:55:33 PM

Quidsin wrote:
dixie chicken wrote:Unbelievable!!!
Who brought up the NHS during the campaign?

You'll know the answer to this Chico, where exactly is 'Bongo bongo land' on planet Earth?


I try to make a reasoned argument re, the NHS and all you can come back on is 'bongo bongo '.
What a pathetic answer!!!

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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby Dade » Thursday 25th 2014f September 2014 10:46:07 PM

dixie chicken wrote:I have no problem with these and other private contracts.
I just wish that SNP and Labour in England would stop trying to dupe voters into thinking that because there are private companies involved in the NHS, patients are going to be charged directly other than through taxation.
After all, GP's, drug companies, cleaning suppliers, stationers et al are major private suppliers.
Even the staff in GP surgeries are working for the privatised GP's.
Some honesty is needed in the debate. That's my point!!!!


I do agree to an extent. I read somewhere about the SG handing contracts for weight management courses for people. When it comes to that I'd rather that money be spent on better things than people who eat too much food and don't exercise enough. You are right about honesty though. There isn't enough of it in politics.

Is the point not that the Tories are privatising some main stream services and also talking about signing up to an agreement that allows private companies to start picking off other parts of the NHS?

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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby alba bairn » Thursday 25th 2014f September 2014 11:01:16 PM

Dade wrote:
dixie chicken wrote:I have no problem with these and other private contracts.
I just wish that SNP and Labour in England would stop trying to dupe voters into thinking that because there are private companies involved in the NHS, patients are going to be charged directly other than through taxation.
After all, GP's, drug companies, cleaning suppliers, stationers et al are major private suppliers.
Even the staff in GP surgeries are working for the privatised GP's.
Some honesty is needed in the debate. That's my point!!!!


I do agree to an extent. I read somewhere about the SG handing contracts for weight management courses for people. When it comes to that I'd rather that money be spent on better things than people who eat too much food and don't exercise enough. You are right about honesty though. There isn't enough of it in politics.

Is the point not that the Tories are privatising some main stream services and also talking about signing up to an agreement that allows private companies to start picking off other parts of the NHS?

Indeed it is. Trans-atlantic blah blah blah. Basically selling off "profitable" bits of the nhs to their mates. Same old Tories. And to think that Labour want this to continue? I can see no other valid reason for them to support the bitter together fear campaign. Still the NO crowd voted for it, so hell bloody mend them.
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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby Warren Jeff » Friday 26th 2014f September 2014 08:45:40 AM

It will be interesting to see the effect the Referendum will have on the Labour Party in Scotland. Whilst they will more than likely retain the majority of their seats I can see the numbers vots for them falling dramatically. I'm sure Labour and SNP will both be looking at alot of Lib Dem votes up for grabs as well.

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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby dixie chicken » Friday 26th 2014f September 2014 09:20:49 AM

Dade wrote:
dixie chicken wrote:I have no problem with these and other private contracts.
I just wish that SNP and Labour in England would stop trying to dupe voters into thinking that because there are private companies involved in the NHS, patients are going to be charged directly other than through taxation.
After all, GP's, drug companies, cleaning suppliers, stationers et al are major private suppliers.
Even the staff in GP surgeries are working for the privatised GP's.
Some honesty is needed in the debate. That's my point!!!!


I do agree to an extent. I read somewhere about the SG handing contracts for weight management courses for people. When it comes to that I'd rather that money be spent on better things than people who eat too much food and don't exercise enough. You are right about honesty though. There isn't enough of it in politics.

Is the point not that the Tories are privatising some main stream services and also talking about signing up to an agreement that allows private companies to start picking off other parts of the NHS?


At least I seem to have someone who is willing to discuss the issue reasonably. Thank you.
NO party is suggesting that the user will be paying for mainstream NHS services. It does however make sense to utilise the private sector when there is stress or undercapacity in the system. Quite a few operations are conducted for the NHS in private hospitals to reduce waiting lists. Great. Everyone's a winner. Waiting lists go down and the NHS gets a good financial package for giving some 'volume' to the private sector.
There has always been a lot of 'user paying' in the NHS e.g. dental care, opticians,etc.etc. so it's not true to say that everything is 'FREE'.
In England it is true that a few failing hospitals were given over to a private company to run with fantastic success - Circle Group, I think. However, no customer has paid.
I am sick of hearing all the scare stories and blatant untruths put about by politicians of all persuasions about so-called 'privatisation' of the NHS.
Personally, I do think that some charging will become inevitable because of the sheer vastness of the ever-increasing costs. In that wonderful socialist Skandinavian country of Sweden, shock-horror, they actually charge to go and see your GP. The SG never tells you that!!!
So come on, let's stop all the drivel spouted about this topic and let's have some reasoned debate.

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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby dixie chicken » Friday 26th 2014f September 2014 12:50:19 PM

Out of interest, what's the SNP policy on the air strikes against IS in Iraq?
Question to all the new members.
UKIP is against and would vote NO in the Commons voteif we had any MP's.
We're now dealing with serious matters.

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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby Bernard Shakey » Friday 26th 2014f September 2014 01:29:07 PM

dixie chicken wrote:Out of interest, what's the SNP policy on the air strikes against IS in Iraq?
Question to all the new members.
UKIP is against and would vote NO in the Commons voteif we had any MP's.
We're now dealing with serious matters.


Time the Arab / Gulf states grew a pair and got involved at the sharp end.

Time that they got some of that shiny military hardware that they buy like kids in a sweet shop a bit dirty.

By all means provide logistical and technical support but that is it.
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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby dixie chicken » Friday 26th 2014f September 2014 02:18:09 PM

I agree with you.
What is the SNP policy and how do they intend to vote?

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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby Gus2 » Friday 26th 2014f September 2014 03:16:14 PM

dixie chicken wrote:I agree with you.
What is the SNP policy and how do they intend to vote?


They have been given a free vote so each will vote according how they view the situation

Just off twitter each of the SNP MPs will be voting NO to airstrikes as their is no further aid plan in place
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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby Gus2 » Friday 26th 2014f September 2014 03:26:49 PM

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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby dixie chicken » Friday 26th 2014f September 2014 03:43:46 PM

Gus2 wrote:
dixie chicken wrote:I agree with you.
What is the SNP policy and how do they intend to vote?


They have been given a free vote so each will vote according how they view the situation


So you don't have a policy then?

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Re: Post referendum/Scottish politics

Postby dixie chicken » Friday 26th 2014f September 2014 03:47:57 PM

According to Nick Robinson they are all voting against.
Very pleasing!!

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