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PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Friday 11th 2019f January 2019 09:00:32 AM
by rusty_nail
With a point separating us from Partick and hoping to close the gap on Alloa and haul ourselves out of the relegation play-offs this is shaping up to be a cracker.

We need to do ourselves a turn and beat Thistle. Hoping after last week's result the players will be buoyed and push on.

Added to that we've got another few new faces who I'm keen to see in the navy blue and I am genuinely excited for the game tomorrow.

Overall one of the clubs better weeks of the season this week and if there are positives of changing the majority of your team mid-season is
you genuinely don't know how the games will pan out until we have a settled side.

My only caveat to all that is they have Gary Harkins who despite appearances and being seemingly nomadic always seems to play well against us. :roll:

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Friday 11th 2019f January 2019 12:29:03 PM
by yogisbairns
I'm not going to read too much into last week's result. We rode our luck and Ayr are struggling a bit as well. On the up side, from what I saw in the first half, we do have a bit more in midfield. The second half we were out on our feet from about 60 minutes and our out ball was terrible from defence. Hopefully these are things that we can work on for this week. It's gonna be a very sharp learning curve I'm afraid for everyone. As long as we don't get beat this Saturday, I'll be happy. Oh to have two consecutive wins, is that asking too much.

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Friday 11th 2019f January 2019 06:01:02 PM
by Habib Utak Al Hansi
Osman and Keillor-Dunne mean we are almost spoilt for choice in midfield, but the options up front are grim. O'Hara, who will never be good enough, or an eighteen year old kid who has never played first team football. Struggle to see where the goals are coming from, the loss of Rudden is massive.Thistle have signed the likes of Cardle and Harkins, who have turned it on against us numerous times before, and by all accounts played pretty well at Tannadice last week. Very tough game in prospect, would gladly accept a draw, a narrow defeat would not surprise me however, we never seem to be able to follow up a good result the following week and struggle to remember the last time we turned up in a big game, Hibs in the play-offs maybe.

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Friday 11th 2019f January 2019 08:26:10 PM
by rusty_nail
Habib Utak Al Hansi wrote:
Friday 11th 2019f January 2019 06:01:02 PM
... or an eighteen year old kid who has never played first team football. Struggle to see where the goals are coming from, the loss of Rudden is massive...
*Irony klaxon*

Lavery is older (20) and has played probably at a higher level than Rudden (18) with Northern Ireland and Everton albeit not in the 1st team which Rudden hadn't either prior to joining us.

We just have to hope that whoever plays takes their chance whether it's the 'has-been' O'Hara or Lavery.

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 10:57:26 AM
by Olaf Thom
rusty_nail wrote:
Friday 11th 2019f January 2019 08:26:10 PM


*Irony klaxon*

Lavery is older (20) and has played probably at a higher level than Rudden (18) with Northern Ireland and Everton albeit not in the 1st team which Rudden hadn't either prior to joining us.

We just have to hope that whoever plays takes their chance whether it's the 'has-been' O'Hara or Lavery.
Hasn’t the Hartley era taught you anything? Dimi is an international, 3 guys came from premiership clubs. Lavery might be Everton’s next Wayne Rooney but he could equally be another Dennon Lewis. Rudden isn’t a super star but he’s decent for this level, his goals are the reason we have more than 5 points.
I think we are bang in trouble today and would take a draw.

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 11:53:39 AM
by Sir Jones
In the context of this game, being without Rudden is a blow but I would never describe losing him as "massive". I wrote elsewhere that if Ray can't get another forward with more ability by the close of the window then the task ahead is going to be a lot harder than it should be. I wrote that before we lost Rudden...

Anyway, I don't feel we ever do well at Firhill so would take a point from this one. To be honest, we should've walked away with a point last time we were there under Hartley but a completely different scenario for both clubs this time around. If the new boys can control the midfield then I think we will do well enough. Ray has made us tougher to beat, he just needs to fine tune that midfield.

Not expecting a result today but keen to see how the team performs.

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 02:02:46 PM
by Pete
Rudden is back for the rest of the season!

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 02:59:44 PM
by rusty_nail
Olaf Thom wrote:
Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 10:57:26 AM
Hasn’t the Hartley era taught you anything? ...
Didn't you specifically call Houston 'lazy' because he didn't do what Hartley did but now we are meant to keep to the tried and tested since it didn't work :shock:

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 06:27:28 PM
by Dade
Sir Jones wrote:
Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 11:53:39 AM
In the context of this game, being without Rudden is a blow but I would never describe losing him as "massive". I wrote elsewhere that if Ray can't get another forward with more ability by the close of the window then the task ahead is going to be a lot harder than it should be. I wrote that before we lost Rudden...

Anyway, I don't feel we ever do well at Firhill so would take a point from this one. To be honest, we should've walked away with a point last time we were there under Hartley but a completely different scenario for both clubs this time around. If the new boys can control the midfield then I think we will do well enough. Ray has made us tougher to beat, he just needs to fine tune that midfield.

Not expecting a result today but keen to see how the team performs.
The best ability a forward should have is to score a goal. Maybe Rudden’s scoring form is a flash in the pan but any team in this league would struggle to replace a player with his record at present.

Another point earned by Rudden, another blow to your statement! ;)

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 06:43:10 PM
by Sir Jones
Another far too quick to accept mediocrity...

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 06:46:55 PM
by Dade
Sir Jones wrote:
Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 06:43:10 PM
Another far too quick to accept mediocrity...
I’ve never suggested he was brilliant but your point was we wouldn’t miss him. Any club would miss any striker on form. Even we would have missed John Baird when he was banging them in for us!

Just thought it was a strange thing to say considering he was and still is delivering the goals for us.

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 06:55:13 PM
by Sir Jones
Dade wrote:
Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 06:46:55 PM
Even we would have missed John Baird when he was banging them in for us!
I refuse to converse further on the matter after this comment.

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 07:03:13 PM
by Dade
Sir Jones wrote:
Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 06:55:13 PM
Dade wrote:
Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 06:46:55 PM
Even we would have missed John Baird when he was banging them in for us!
I refuse to converse further on the matter after this comment.
Nice swerve Jones!

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 08:16:54 PM
by Pete
Thought we were pretty average today and had Harkins not been sent off then I think we would have been struggling to get a point. We certainly look far more determined than before but I'd hoped we'd be a bit more creative in the final third.

Osman looked off the pace and both McLean and waddington struggled to create, you could actually feel that Patrick were going to score as for some strange reason we got deeper and deeper and poor rudden was just isolated.

Very happy to get the point and what a support we took through

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 08:38:26 PM
by Kiddy
Thought that while having majority of the play Partick did very little with it. That they scored with their first chance on target pretty much sums it up.
Osman was blowing out his arse at the end of the first half, & it only contributed to Falkirks dropping deeper & deeper, in the 5 mins before the opening goal.
Ray should have clocked that & made the changes then, not instantly the goal's been conceded.
Harkin's pretty much cost Thistle the points, as we didn't really look like being able to get back into it. Though he could count himself unfortunate to have picked up the first booking, I thought the second could have been worthy of red.
Dallas is an idiot of the highest calibre. I personally didn't think there was anything worthy of a booking 1st half, but he completely lost the plot at a minor skirmish & carried on with making himself the star of the show. He was equally poor for both sides.
In the end a decent point for Ray's side & two weeks to work on getting things to gel. Thought McShane impressed & we looked more solid at the back. 4/6 for the V2.0 Bairns so onward to getting a bit better in the hope of saving our skin.

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 09:10:16 PM
by Falkirkfan6871
We are six points from safety!

Still lacking another striker!

Alloa keep winning, Dunfermline changed managers so we don’t want the gap becoming too big.

I wouldn’t fancy this team in a relegation play off. And if we end up there it will be shocking given we have gave two managers two new squads.

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 09:18:24 PM
by Habib Utak Al Hansi
Sir Jones wrote:
Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 06:43:10 PM
Another far too quick to accept mediocrity...
8 goals in 16 games playing in the worst Falkirk team in living memory. Remove his goals and we would be currently sitting on 7 points and already planning for Stranraer and Forfar. Wish we had a bit more of his mediocrity to be honest.

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 09:31:31 PM
by Falkirkfan6871
Habib Utak Al Hansi wrote:
Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 09:18:24 PM
Sir Jones wrote:
Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 06:43:10 PM
Another far too quick to accept mediocrity...
8 goals in 16 games playing in the worst Falkirk team in living memory. Remove his goals and we would be currently sitting on 7 points and already planning for Stranraer and Forfar. Wish we had a bit more of his mediocrity to be honest.
I would keep a Rudden but he’s no going to be coming on loan next season in league one!

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 10:01:08 PM
by Sir Jones
Habib Utak Al Hansi wrote:
Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 09:18:24 PM
Sir Jones wrote:
Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 06:43:10 PM
Another far too quick to accept mediocrity...
8 goals in 16 games playing in the worst Falkirk team in living memory. Remove his goals and we would be currently sitting on 7 points and already planning for Stranraer and Forfar. Wish we had a bit more of his mediocrity to be honest.
Had we set out our stall last Summer with a goal of simply staying in this Division then my view on Rudden would likely be much kinder. Of course he's good enough for a team scraping together Championship survival. But for where we want to be (or should be)? He's a decent squad player to have. Beggars can't be choosers though.

Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Posted: Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 10:08:15 PM
by Sir Jones
A wonky game today that was sorely ruined by Dallas. It really is staggering that he officiates some key top level football in this country.

At times we looked ok, at other times it was looking tired and disjointed. Completely understandable considering the short amount of time this lot have been together and match fitness issues. Osman looked like he was well behind match fitness though still managed to look more handy that Buaben during his stint at the club.

I'm a little behind with the names and Falkirk TV's image quality was dire today but a few of the attacking mids down the right made repeated bad decisions but I get the sense that again, that was more due to missing an understanding with team mates.

I hope Ray moves away from this opening back 5 nonsense as our lot find it incredibly easy to resort to a back 8 or 9 for lengthy periods. We invited Partick to score and squandered numerous opportunities to clear and get yards up the pitch. Making us tough to beat made sense with Hartley's squad, we need to be more adventurous in teh second half of the season. We wont keep many clean sheets so need to keep the pressure on and find goals. Absolutely need a striker signed or we're f*cked in my opinion.

Still, 4 points from 6 and I did say this morning that I'd take a point from today so not too displeased. A very tough run of games coming up and not sure what to expect.