PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

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Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Post by Dade » Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 10:33:13 PM

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Had we set out our stall last Summer with a goal of simply staying in this Division then my view on Rudden would likely be much kinder. Of course he's good enough for a team scraping together Championship survival. But for where we want to be (or should be)? He's a decent squad player to have. Beggars can't be choosers though.
Your original argument was that this current Falkirk team wouldn’t miss him! You’ve been watching too much Prime Ministers questions!

As for being ok in a team scraping at the bottom of the Championship, I’m not really sure I get that point either as he alone has earned us valuable points. It’s not his fault the rest of the team haven’t been helping out creating goals or preventing them! His record of 1 in 2 at the moment too is on a par with Darryl Duffy when we last won this league and he’s currently 4th top scorer in the league with all 8 of his goals coming from open play.
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Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Post by Sir Jones » Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 10:50:53 PM

***edited this all out as it'll just rumble on and I can't be f*cked with it :lol: Should've come to the Station that night to chat about it!***
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Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Post by Dade » Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 11:08:48 PM

Sir Jones wrote:
Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 10:50:53 PM
***edited this all out as it'll just rumble on and I can't be f*cked with it :lol: Should've come to the Station that night to chat about it!***
Haha, I’m taking that as a victory and yes you should have came to the Station that night as like Rudden your presence was missed! :)
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Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Post by Falkirkbairn90 » Sunday 13th 2019f January 2019 09:08:47 AM

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Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 06:43:10 PM
Another far too quick to accept mediocrity...
The evidence suggests this lad is far from mediocre. He's banging them in, in a team who can hardly create any chances or even give him the ball. The fact that he can do that at 18 years old in a struggling side suggests to me this lad has a long career ahead of him at Rangers and beyond. I saw him play when he was 16 against Forth Valley Academy when Billy Gilmour was still playing for Rangers, Rudden scored 3 that day because he had other players creating opportunities for him and he was smart enough to make good runs and get himself into the positions and prolific enough to put them away. Jones you are entitled to your opinion but this time I think you are way off.

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Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Post by yogisbairns » Sunday 13th 2019f January 2019 10:13:34 PM

Falkirkbairn90 wrote:
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Sir Jones wrote:
Saturday 12th 2019f January 2019 06:43:10 PM
Another far too quick to accept mediocrity...
The evidence suggests this lad is far from mediocre. He's banging them in, in a team who can hardly create any chances or even give him the ball. The fact that he can do that at 18 years old in a struggling side suggests to me this lad has a long career ahead of him at Rangers and beyond. I saw him play when he was 16 against Forth Valley Academy when Billy Gilmour was still playing for Rangers, Rudden scored 3 that day because he had other players creating opportunities for him and he was smart enough to make good runs and get himself into the positions and prolific enough to put them away. Jones you are entitled to your opinion but this time I think you are way off.
Not quite sure how to sum Rudden up. Almost all of his goals have been similar to McCoist at Rangers. Not one of them will fall into the category of a well taken goal, but everyone of them falls into the category of "strikers instinct". He knows where to be in the box. Yet their's no denying his application during a game, however he does seem to waste a lot of effort in places he shouldn't be. It's as if he's getting no service, and then goes looking for the ball in places he shouldn't be. Not sure if having someone play off him will help.
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Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Post by billybairn » Monday 14th 2019f January 2019 10:01:10 AM

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Not quite sure how to sum Rudden up. Almost all of his goals have been similar to McCoist at Rangers. Not one of them will fall into the category of a well taken goal, but everyone of them falls into the category of "strikers instinct". He knows where to be in the box. Yet their's no denying his application during a game, however he does seem to waste a lot of effort in places he shouldn't be. It's as if he's getting no service, and then goes looking for the ball in places he shouldn't be. Not sure if having someone play off him will help.
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What about his winning goal against the Pars away? That was a corker, for any number of reasons!

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Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Post by Pete » Monday 14th 2019f January 2019 10:51:38 AM

2nd against inverness away was also decent

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Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Post by yogisbairns » Monday 14th 2019f January 2019 09:21:15 PM

Pete wrote:
Monday 14th 2019f January 2019 10:51:38 AM
2nd against inverness away was also decent
billybairn wrote:
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Not quite sure how to sum Rudden up. Almost all of his goals have been similar to McCoist at Rangers. Not one of them will fall into the category of a well taken goal, but everyone of them falls into the category of "strikers instinct". He knows where to be in the box. Yet their's no denying his application during a game, however he does seem to waste a lot of effort in places he shouldn't be. It's as if he's getting no service, and then goes looking for the ball in places he shouldn't be. Not sure if having someone play off him will help.
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What about his winning goal against the Pars away? That was a corker, for any number of reasons!
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Fair point, still think it's raw talent we've got.
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Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Post by Dade » Monday 14th 2019f January 2019 10:22:50 PM

Just watched Saturday’s highlights and impressed by Rudden’s positioning. I know I’m only viewing him on highlights but anytime the ball gets near the box he looks lively and always picks up dangerous positions.

Few players possess that kind of instinct. I know it may look like he’s doing nothing if he isn’t getting the proper service but I’d much rather have a striker who is patient to remain in those positions awaiting an opportunity than starting to drop deep and take him out of the danger area when it matters.

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Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Post by Creative Redemption » Tuesday 15th 2019f January 2019 01:50:23 PM

Rudden very much reminds of me Daryl Duffy.
The only difference being that DD had Latapy putting everything he needed on a plate, whereas ZR has to scrap for every opportunity he gets.
Without doubt, Zak would be on 20 + goals this season with a Latapy type player in our team.
Its what we have been screaming out for this season.
I understand Jonesy's comments on Rudden. He is not blessed with amazing skill, not would he really have featured in many starting line up's in years gone by, but he is where he is right now, and his return to games is exceptional, considering the service and quality of play he is surrounded with.
His commitment is second to none, and I tip my hat to him. He only wants to score fcking goals.
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Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Post by Duncan Freemason » Tuesday 15th 2019f January 2019 02:17:46 PM

Mid January now, and I reckon the next 6 games are going to define our season. Once there’s less than 10 games to go, I reckon the die might well be cast on our season.

For me, it’s absolutely crucial that we beat ICT. A draw really won’t cut it anymore. We can’t afford any more weeks where either Partick or Alloa pick up more points than we do. At no point have we had any momentum at all this season, and it’s now time for the rubber to hit the road. A scenario where we draw, and Partick and Alloa win would just about hole us below the waterline.

The time for team building was always going to be short, and the players really need to be delivering as of now. The way things are going, 9th is starting to look like an acceptable outcome.

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Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Post by fuzzydunlop » Tuesday 15th 2019f January 2019 08:24:31 PM

Totally agree. Pretty much a new team but we need to be attacking as there’s no one in this league who are any great shakes, qos proved that point massively on Saturday. We need a run of form and we should be aiming to get caught up with the fifers. My wish would be to get ahead of both Morton and the fifers just for bragging rights. However realistically not having to go through the play offs would be fine. Even the perverse side of me who thinks the play offs would be exciting doesn’t want that risk! Look at raith, poor f@ckers can’t get out of that league!

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Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Post by fuzzydunlop » Tuesday 15th 2019f January 2019 08:29:01 PM

Just to add, I mean that run of form was started in my eyes.
Beating ayr and a draw away to a team who are also fighting for their lives is a great start. I just want the team confidence to build and us to go out against ICT going all out for 3 points, in fact every game from here on in we should be doing it. I mean, we’re falkirk for fux sake. Settling for thinking a draw against anyone in this league shouldn’t be acceptable.

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Re: PTFC v Falkirk : 12th January 2019

Post by Duncan Freemason » Tuesday 15th 2019f January 2019 09:09:53 PM

If there was a KPI for relegation, going for more than half a season with no wins at home, only three points earned at home and less than half a dozen goals scored by your own players at home, then those figures would say we are racing certainties for the drop.
That we are actually still in the mix to avoid that drop is ridiculous.

After all the sense of relief at seeing departure after departure after departure of players not up to the task, and the buzz due to the arrival of more than half a team of new faces seen to be much much better than those who are being replaced, then we MUST get a home win in the next game, no excuses. Any feel good factor will evaporate overnight if the new guys don’t deliver.

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