Falkirk vs. Dunfermline 07-04-18

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Falkirk vs. Dunfermline 07-04-18

Post by rusty_nail » Friday 06th 2018f April 2018 11:13:09 AM

Bragging rights at stake for this one as I think they'll comfortably finish above us and in the play-offs with the run-in they have :roll:

For us, it's about getting as high up the table as possible as 5th or 6th will guarantee 200K+ income for the rebuild that will happen in the summer.

In terms of the form book, we're pencilled to win as our last 5 have followed a pattern but they're in good form to so something might have to give. Hopefully it will be in our favour :clap:
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Re: Falkirk vs. Dunfermline 07-04-18

Post by ellonbairn » Friday 06th 2018f April 2018 12:58:54 PM

I wonder what the yellow and red card count will be this time. Also - surely no eyeballs.

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Post by kemlinbairn » Saturday 07th 2018f April 2018 08:52:41 AM

Bragging rights is all we have left. We wont be in any playoffs - bottom or top - so only thing we have to look forward to is a win today and it helps stop their push for a playoff spot.

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Post by Ricey » Saturday 07th 2018f April 2018 01:01:37 PM

I make today the last game of the season with nothing left to play for. Hoping after today Hartley focuses on giving some of the young guys a game with a view to seeing if they would be worth a place in the thinned down squad for next season. I’m thinking primarily about Jonny Mitchell and cieran dune would much rather see these guys on the bench than Harris for example who we know isn’t good enough and never will be

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Re: Falkirk vs. Dunfermline 07-04-18

Post by Bridge of Allan Bairn » Saturday 07th 2018f April 2018 05:17:38 PM

summed up our season in one match. poor decision making at key times in game from longridge giving the ball away for their crucial first to Harris failing to find a man when through at the end. our crossing was poor throughout with Robson and McGhee main culprits.

thought sibbald and Welsh did well enough.

how longridge got motm amazes me as it will if he gets another contract. if I have to watch another season of him giving the ball away, moaning at Hartley a d the refs and shooting when he should pass a d vice versa I'll not be turning up.

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Re: Falkirk vs. Dunfermline 07-04-18

Post by dixie chicken » Saturday 07th 2018f April 2018 05:53:32 PM

Beaten by the better team today.
They had a game plan which worked.
We didn’t.
They were really solid a at the back and kept Yak and Nelson very quiet.
Our passing and, in particular, crossing is appalling. McGee and Robson were terrible.
Need wholesale changes for next season.

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Re: Falkirk vs. Dunfermline 07-04-18

Post by Habib Utak Al Hansi » Saturday 07th 2018f April 2018 06:21:49 PM

Pretty brutal performance overall. Countless times we got ourselves into decent positions in and around their box only to waste it with abysmal delivery which was meat and drink to their defence. Witness Harris with that pathetic half-cross/half-shot or Kidd's freekick at the end. Two years on from that steamrollering by Kilmarnock and we are as piss weak as ever. The physical difference between the two sides was crystal clear today, they had four giants at the back, Hartley's team selection saw us outnumbered sometimes 3 to 1 in midfield. The amount of time and space afforded to the likes of Aird was ridiculous. Dunfermline pressed us well, McManus is a bit of a headless chicken but does a power of running.

Nothing whatsoever on the bench to change a game, we are stuffed with mediocre defensive players but have zero width or pace. When Harris is the first change, you know the game is well and truly up. Oh for just one proper winger who has the vaguest idea how to beat a man. Hopefully the Dumbarton result was a bit of a freak as I do not foresee many points from the next few games. The team of two years ago was murdered by Killie but were light years ahead of what we have now, the regression has been frightening.
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Re: Falkirk vs. Dunfermline 07-04-18

Post by Duncan Freemason » Saturday 07th 2018f April 2018 06:25:04 PM

Well, if that defensive performance doesn’t persuade people that almost everyone on the books pre January needs fitted to the nearest available ejector seat, then God knows what will.
Sibbs, Robson, McGhee, Nelson and Jak. If we could keep those five, and build around them, we might have a competitive team. Any of the rest are simply sea anchors, and will do what they are doing now.....holding back anyone capable of better. This has to be an absolute tsunami of a clear out, or we will just maintain our position of “it’s the taking part that counts, not the winning” specialists.

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Post by John Markie » Saturday 07th 2018f April 2018 08:49:52 PM

That was as bad as it gets for us. A wholesale debacle. How playing 4 centre backs and one wing back was ever going to work just baffles me? Presumably they practised this, but you would not have known from todays performance. The wing backs needed to be involved in midfield and McGhee just doesn't have the pace or mobility and Robson doesn't have the physical presence. Playing Welsh is akin to playing an old lady in the heart of the park - he wasn't awful, just too slow, so consequently was second to every ball and had no attacking zest about him at all. Add that to three centre backs who seem unable to mark their opponents, Longridge who can't make the right decision ever, and two kids up front who got bullied all day, then we never really stood a chance. Especially since we only started showing any belief way too late. Add to the whole inglorious mess by making your "game changing substitution" Harris, and you have the quintessential cluster fcuk. I have been loath to criticise Hartley too much given the shyte he's had to work with, but he was as culpable as the players today. If he thinks that was anywhere near good enough, even from the point of showing the required passion and endeavour then he is sadly mistaken. Really difficult to find anything positive to say about today but surely even our BoD can see that what we have on the park is light years away from what we need. Its time to give Hartley a clean sheet, get rid of the likes of Loy, Harris, Welsh, Muirhead, Grant, Watson etc, get some quality in and blend it with some of the decent (well two or three) half decent kids and go from there.

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Hazard 8/10. Cracking save first half, and helpless for the goals. Distribution good but not great.

McGhee 2/10. Way too slow to be playing there. Obviously not his fault, but dear god he was awful. Embarrassing.
Muirhead 5/10. Great penalty, and a good long throw at the end, but culpable at the goals for not picking up runner.
Grant 4/10. Sadly this boy cannot pass a football, and whilst being decent in the air and making some decent interceptions, thats just not enough.
Watson 5/10. Did nothing totally wrong, but then didn't do enough to stop their attacks through the centre.
Robson 6/10. Made the mistake for their second, and strangely looks like his confidence is going a bit. I expected better from him today, but far from the worst in navy blue.

Welsh 3/10. Makes Mark Kerr look like a world beater. Way too slow in thought and passing. over the hill and should not have been starting in such an important game.
Sibbald 7/10. My MotM. About the only player that looked like he actually gave a fcuk. Tried like a bear throughout, but with no support in midfield, there was only so much one player can do.
Longridge 3/10. If running about aimlessly wasting possession got points he'd be 10/10.I do not think he made one correct decision today. MotM my ar$e.

Nelson 5/10. Did his best, but up against men, where he is just a boy as yet. Tried so hard but never really made an impression.
jakubiak 6/10. This boy is a powerhouse, and had the officials been fair would have had many more fouls given for him than he got. Just out-muscled by bigger stronger men.

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Harris 1/10. A shytebag. That is all.
Kidd 6/10. Did more in 15 minutes than welsh did in 75. Should have started.
O'hara 5/10. Did ok, but on for so little time really had no chance to really do very much at all.

Hartley 1/10. Picked way too defensive a set up. Invited them on to us, weakened the midfield and stood watching as we fell apart. Then, to compound the lack of understanding of what was required he brought on Mr Shytebag himself harris as his first change. Jesus Christ Almighty! What a fcuking ar$ehole for doing that.

Oh and the ref got 1/10, and only because he gave us one penalty, but seemed to miss every other Dunfermline dirty trick.

We need some tough physical bawbags in our team and pretty much all apart from Robson and Sibbald can fcuk off now if they like.
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Re: Falkirk vs. Dunfermline 07-04-18

Post by Brian Scrimegour » Saturday 07th 2018f April 2018 09:46:50 PM

Ridiculous team selection by hartley who im still not completely convinced by. Mcghee at rwb, 2 far too similar centre mids in welsh and sibbald and watson back for some unknown reason. Bench had zero players on it that youd think could really change a game and yet he binned hippo and loy is only good enough for the development side. Flinging on harris and o'hara isnt going to change the game. All in all a dire effort against a pretty mediocre pars side.

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Post by AL_bairn » Saturday 07th 2018f April 2018 11:32:35 PM

Pretty grim all round. Dumbarton getting 3 points makes the day worse. Could be a massive game away to them if they manage another win or 2 before we play them (depending on our results).

Massive job in the summer coming up now for Hartley but sadly I'm not convinced he is the man to do it. We have improved but something just doesn't feel right about him as manager. Obviously will give him a chance to rebuild the squad but by **** he needs to get it right!

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Post by Kiddy » Sunday 08th 2018f April 2018 02:32:31 AM

dixie chicken wrote:
Saturday 07th 2018f April 2018 05:53:32 PM
Beaten by the better team today.
They had a game plan which worked.
We didn’t.
They were really solid a at the back and kept Yak and Nelson very quiet.
Our passing and, in particular, crossing is appalling. McGee and Robson were terrible.
Need wholesale changes for next season.
I'd say that McGhee & Robson were the best two! (Loan deals excepted)
The rest can pack their bags.
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Re: Falkirk vs. Dunfermline 07-04-18

Post by kent brockman » Sunday 08th 2018f April 2018 08:02:04 AM

We look like a collection of individuals rather than a team.

No spirit, no passion and apart from Sibbs no appreciation of what that game meant to the fans.
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Re: Falkirk vs. Dunfermline 07-04-18

Post by kemlinbairn » Sunday 08th 2018f April 2018 09:23:38 AM

Well after a display like that we all know there has to be a clear out come the summer. Once the loan players go back to their clubs we will have a picture of who is left.
Only thing now is do we trust PH to get rid of the dross- that's a long list - and get suitable replacements in. Really think next season is a big one for the club with getting rid of academy etc we have put all our eggs in one basket and if it don't work we are well and truly screwed.

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Post by Sir Jones » Sunday 08th 2018f April 2018 11:02:56 AM

Don't take this as blindly following Hartley but over the past month or two he, to me at least, appears to be sending a very clear message out to a selection of players he doesn't want about next season (Loy, Taiwo, etc, etc). I think he knew that starting 11 and bench technically wasn't our strongest but he was sticking to his guns to a fault. Perhaps he underestimated the importance of the game - easy to do when an "outsider".

Tactically he's made it incredibly clear he wants to stick to this 3-5-2 come 5-3-2 thing. Again, sticking to it to a fault. I'm a believer that you pick a formation to suit your squad not the other way around as what happened yesterday with McGhee at right back.

My feel, Hartley thinks the season is over and is sticking to his messaging to the squad and is looking forward to next season as much as all of us are. The harsh reality is that we will be absolutely scunnered if we cannot move on Loy, McKee and Harris (for a start).

As for the performance - I've seen much worse at TFS. We started well but the extent that the heads dropped after the goal (which was coming) was staggering and incredibly worrying - even more so if Dumbarton somehow close the gap and we have a classic "six pointer" to face in to in a couple of weeks. Second half was better but more frustrating due to our performance in front of goal. Neither Nelson or Jak had great games but when you have the likes of Harris refusing to roll the ball across for a tap in you knew it was never going to be their day.

Hartley's decision to switch Grant for an attacking option was the correct one to make but Harris just simply should not be near the match day squad. O'Hara aint the answer but I'd sooner have had him on and Nelson out for a bit of width than bringing on Harris.

How next season goes is anyone's guess. I would love to see us do something to secure Jak and Nelson on a season long loan but seems pretty unlikely. I'd keep Robson and Sibbald of course. McGhee too. I could handle not bringing in a keeper to as not a priority but the rest? Maybe only Grant on the presumption a solid pre season sorts out whatever the f*ck has gone wrong since his injury.
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Re: Falkirk vs. Dunfermline 07-04-18

Post by dumbairn » Sunday 08th 2018f April 2018 11:19:09 AM

I think yesterday illustrated pretty clearly that, with the possible exception of Robson, the entire defence needs punted in the summer. The second goal I wouldn't expect to see in a public park. Hartley's huge error of judgement yesterday wasn't so much the formation but the fact there wasn't a huge turnaround in personel at half time. Longridge man of the match? For Dunfermline?

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Re: Falkirk vs. Dunfermline 07-04-18

Post by Pete » Sunday 08th 2018f April 2018 12:12:45 PM

Apart from the first 10 and last 20 that performance was utterly pathetic. Having longride in a midfield 3 just doesnt work. We really need at least two ball winners in there which would then allow the more forward thinking players to play. Annoyingly we could have sneaked a draw had harris not been so wasteful. I teally hope that January was just a case of getting in and out as many players as possible and that hartley has identified some proper targets for summer.

Only real highlight for me was jakubiak cleaning out the goalie which received a warm round of applause from most of the south stand.

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Re: Falkirk vs. Dunfermline 07-04-18

Post by Sir Jones » Sunday 08th 2018f April 2018 12:17:00 PM

Pete wrote:
Sunday 08th 2018f April 2018 12:12:45 PM
hartley has identified some proper targets for summer.
Heard a belter of a rumour yesterday that Kenny Miller would be signing as a player coach next term :lol:
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Re: Falkirk vs. Dunfermline 07-04-18

Post by Duncan Freemason » Sunday 08th 2018f April 2018 12:29:02 PM

Doubts or not, we have to support Hartley in whatever he chooses to do in the summer.
Now that all the guff about top four is dead in the water, and climbing above 8th is a receding dream, then there’s little to be gained by making any judgements on what remains of this season.....with the exception of sliding back down to 9th.

I will stick by my opinion too...if any more than five or six of the current first team squad are still on the scene next season, then 18/19 is screwed too. We have so many issues, it’s damn near unreal. The good guys simply cannot compensate for the duds in the team, because there’s far too many of them.
If people want to make Muirhead into a cult hero because he takes a mean penalty, and has the occasional great last ditch tackle (due in the main to him screwing up positionally, or having no awareness of where opposition players actually are), then that’s their choice.
Me? Give me a big standard centre back who does that job simply and effectively 95% of the time, and is part of a team ethic.

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Re: Falkirk vs. Dunfermline 07-04-18

Post by Dade » Sunday 08th 2018f April 2018 03:56:03 PM

Sir Jones wrote:
Sunday 08th 2018f April 2018 12:17:00 PM
Pete wrote:
Sunday 08th 2018f April 2018 12:12:45 PM
hartley has identified some proper targets for summer.
Heard a belter of a rumour yesterday that Kenny Miller would be signing as a player coach next term :lol:
I’d take Kenny Miller to be fair. He may be old but he still could still run rings around Rory Loy and several others in our team. Good finisher too.

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