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The clear-out

Post by John Markie » Friday 23rd 2018f March 2018 12:33:53 AM

So, who do we keep outta this bunch that can push us into the top 4 next season? Given the amount of loanee's currently at the club, we are seriously short of quality up front and in midfield, but my real concern is the state of the defence, if not the whole team. Assuming all loanee's return to their parent clubs who will we keep, who has contracts beyond the summer and who can we afford to lose?

I was going to list the players individually, but so many are duds and its obvious they should go that we should concentrate on who is worth keeping, so here is my list of those worth keeping, or at least those we may have to keep because we are unlikely to get better for the same cash.

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D Mitchell - and this is based on only 2 performances seen. Is he actually worth keeping on? On the limited times I've seen him, I think he is better with crosses, similar in shot stopping and miles ahead in distribution to either of our other 2 keepers. Is that enough? I'd say, maybe.

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Robson - without doubt the best full back we have had in years and if its possible for us to keep him I would. Has pace, passion and ability both going forward and defensively. Only negative is that he is smaller than many others in the league.
McGhee - probably the best central defender we have, but all too often goes wandering up the park on pointless runs before panicking and usually blootering the ball out the park. Doesn't score enough from set plays. But really the only quality we have at the back since we ditched Balatoni. He is slow too, but are we likely to get much better - I think its unlikely, so I'd be tempted to keep him.
Grant - He's so limited its unbelievable, BUT he wins headers and is a resolute defender. I really don't know if he's good enough to be kept or not, as he did have a couple of good seasons not that long ago. But a player that cannot pass to a team mate is a real drawback to any team.
J Mitchell - one for the future. Our best defender in dev squad and will make us some money in a few years if he keeps improving. Don't sell our best prospect please.
R Peggie - another player I like in dev squad. Rightfully captain because of his attitude and versatile enough to play in defence or midfield.

Midfielders
Sibbald - is likely (very very likely) to go and frankly that leaves us with no attacking threat from midfield. The rest of the midfield are journeymen at best and not one has any real quality outside of Sibbs. tragic, but thats where we find ourselves.
Dunne - Very young and other than a couple of half decent cameos, way short of being ready for 1st team action.

Forwards
Longridge - now I am clutching at straws as he is pretty much it as far as forwards go. To me, he is an enigma - capable of hat tricks and scintillating attacking play, coupled to the ability to be as awful as its possible for a forward to be, unable to pass, cross or shoot, constantly making wrong decision after wrong decision. One good game, followed by three terrible games. But he is experienced and about the best we have that isn't on loan to us. Desperate days.
O'Hara - the close control of a supertanker making a turn, but lightning quick and does get goals given people making chances for him.
M Stowe - have seen him be brilliant for dev squad, and more often than not seen him be almost invisible in games. Worth one more season maybe.
C Langton - see Stowe above but add a bit of aggression. One more season i guess.

And thats about it frankly. The rest hopefully will be out of contract and will go and we won't have mediocre players like Taiwo get another contract based only on his ability to win the odd tackle. Honestly, I was hard pushed to even get this many players out of who we have at the club, to be considered for next season. If we keep players like Muirhead, Tumilty, Taiwo and Harris then be prepared for another season of utter shyte.
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Re: The clear-out

Post by kent brockman » Friday 23rd 2018f March 2018 10:29:32 AM

I think you may be disappointed on the contracts front with a number of players still in contract for next season.

For example our top earner, Rory Loy, was given a 2 year deal.
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Re: The clear-out

Post by Back Post Misses » Friday 23rd 2018f March 2018 10:33:33 AM

If January showed us anything however whether they are in contract or not Hartley will move them on if he doesnt want them.

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Re: The clear-out

Post by Bridge of Allan Bairn » Friday 23rd 2018f March 2018 11:29:38 AM

I'm keeping my powder dry on this until the play offs up and down are mathematically decided. still a lot to play for
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Re: The clear-out

Post by Ricey » Friday 23rd 2018f March 2018 11:31:27 PM

Agree with many of the players listed by the OP however unless the youngsters are ready to contribute next season then they will go or at best be loaned out as we can’t afford a reserve team. The squad will be a fraction of the current size but should be much better in quality given the extra money we now have to fund it

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Re: The clear-out

Post by ellonbairn » Monday 26th 2018f March 2018 02:04:00 PM

Bridge of Allan Bairn wrote:
Friday 23rd 2018f March 2018 11:29:38 AM
I'm keeping my powder dry on this until the play offs up and down are mathematically decided. still a lot to play for
I'm still looking down at Inverness and Dumbarton with this run of very hard games after Saturday!

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Re: The clear-out

Post by Ricey » Monday 26th 2018f March 2018 09:51:52 PM

Talk seems to be of a total squad of 18-20 max next season. Currently we must have nearer 40 signed players at a guess and if talk is of in the region of 12 coming in then going to be over 30 departures. This will be the biggest clearout in the clubs history surely?

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Re: The clear-out

Post by Duncan Freemason » Monday 26th 2018f March 2018 11:03:06 PM

By any standards, that would be a huge sea change. I think in recent terms, the closest we’ve seen was under Pressley when for a while, we were fielding the youngest Falkirk starting eleven ever. That close season, I think there was something like 18 player departures......and nothing like “one for one” arriving.
If things were to pan out as you suggest, then this summer might well dwarf that by quite a margin.

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Re: The clear-out

Post by kent brockman » Tuesday 27th 2018f March 2018 08:39:45 AM

Ricey wrote:
Monday 26th 2018f March 2018 09:51:52 PM
Talk seems to be of a total squad of 18-20 max next season. Currently we must have nearer 40 signed players at a guess and if talk is of in the region of 12 coming in then going to be over 30 departures. This will be the biggest clearout in the clubs history surely?
That would make a lot sense. How we allowed things to spiral out of control with more than 40 signed players is beyond me.

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Re: The clear-out

Post by stupac07 » Tuesday 27th 2018f March 2018 11:14:03 AM

Am I missing something here where has the 40 players come from?

On the website I can see 27 players 14 of them I think are in the development squad I think. Do they count in the 40?

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Re: The clear-out

Post by Brian Scrimegour » Tuesday 27th 2018f March 2018 12:23:31 PM

stupac07 wrote:
Tuesday 27th 2018f March 2018 11:14:03 AM
Am I missing something here where has the 40 players come from?

On the website I can see 27 players 14 of them I think are in the development squad I think. Do they count in the 40?
That doesnt include any of the players brought in in January for a start.

So you can add

Robson
Hazard
Nelson
Jakubiak
Blair
Welsh
Longridge
Tumilty

which takes you you up to 35 so not a kick in the balls off 40.

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Re: The clear-out

Post by Creative Redemption » Tuesday 27th 2018f March 2018 12:54:40 PM

Brian Scrimegour wrote:
Tuesday 27th 2018f March 2018 12:23:31 PM
stupac07 wrote:
Tuesday 27th 2018f March 2018 11:14:03 AM
Am I missing something here where has the 40 players come from?

On the website I can see 27 players 14 of them I think are in the development squad I think. Do they count in the 40?
That doesnt include any of the players brought in in January for a start.

So you can add

Robson
Hazard
Nelson
Jakubiak
Blair
Welsh
Longridge
Tumilty

which takes you you up to 35 so not a kick in the balls off 40.

35 is as close to 30 as it is to 40 so a bit OTT with figures.
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Re: The clear-out

Post by Ranaldo Bairn » Tuesday 27th 2018f March 2018 01:06:24 PM

Ricey guessed at "nearly 40", Kent then took this to "more than 40".

I'm now raging we've got almost 70 signed players tbh.
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Re: The clear-out

Post by Ricey » Tuesday 27th 2018f March 2018 08:33:54 PM

Yes sorry nearly 40 was a guess and I was including all signed professional players so u20s also. We have 5 full time goalkeepers FFS!

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Re: The clear-out

Post by havenbairn » Tuesday 27th 2018f March 2018 09:17:31 PM

stupac07 wrote:
Tuesday 27th 2018f March 2018 11:14:03 AM
Am I missing something here where has the 40 players come from?

On the website I can see 27 players 14 of them I think are in the development squad I think. Do they count in the 40?
Don`t rely on the web site for anything. It is well out of date.

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Re: The clear-out

Post by Sir Jones » Wednesday 28th 2018f March 2018 07:46:39 AM

30 or 40 - who cares?! Hartley is known for wanting a small squad of "quality" to work with so there should be one hell of a clear out in June/July. It's much needed.
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Re: The clear-out

Post by Ranaldo Bairn » Wednesday 28th 2018f March 2018 09:16:01 AM

havenbairn wrote:
Tuesday 27th 2018f March 2018 09:17:31 PM
stupac07 wrote:
Tuesday 27th 2018f March 2018 11:14:03 AM
Am I missing something here where has the 40 players come from?

On the website I can see 27 players 14 of them I think are in the development squad I think. Do they count in the 40?
Don`t rely on the web site for anything. It is well out of date.
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Re: The clear-out

Post by Creative Redemption » Thursday 29th 2018f March 2018 09:18:30 AM

I think for the first time in my 35 odd years of watching Falkirk, I would be not bothered one jot if the full team were let go.
There is not one player I feel is of such a level they are absolutely worth keeping.
Sibbs is the only player I truly have any genuine feelings for, just because we all know what playing for our club means to him, and his family.
I hope he gets the move he deserves, and goes back to being the player of when he was 17.
All the rest, including the better ones like Robson and the Yak, can go as far as I am concerned.
I 100% include the BoD in that assessment as well.
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Re: The clear-out

Post by ellonbairn » Thursday 29th 2018f March 2018 09:55:51 AM

Creative Redemption wrote:
Thursday 29th 2018f March 2018 09:18:30 AM
I think for the first time in my 35 odd years of watching Falkirk, I would be not bothered one jot if the full team were let go.
There is not one player I feel is of such a level they are absolutely worth keeping.
Sibbs is the only player I truly have any genuine feelings for, just because we all know what playing for our club means to him, and his family.
I hope he gets the move he deserves, and goes back to being the player of when he was 17.
All the rest, including the better ones like Robson and the Yak, can go as far as I am concerned.
I 100% include the BoD in that assessment as well.
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Re: The clear-out

Post by Duncan Freemason » Thursday 29th 2018f March 2018 03:55:52 PM

Anybody aware of any club going from one season into the next with absolutely no players carried over from one season to the next?
Doubtless at least one of the habitual administration seekers will have done it before now, but I can’t think who.

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